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meetings with john boehner. >> gretchen: it is annoying to see just a campaign. how many people are tired of a campaign speech. why not come to the table and figure it out. i don't understand it. >> steve: at this point, both sides know what they will give up. what their concessions will be. they don't want to go first. we are 33 days away from the official fiscal cliff and sailing off of it . in the washington post they describe a sense much gloom descending over the capitol, bowles meet and he sees one and three chance of an agreement before january. but mr. bowles had met with the president the day before and president had flexibility about that higher tax rate. he wants 39.6 percent. maybe he would take 36, seven,. >> brian: or raise the thres hold. >> gretchen: why would the president be in a negotiating position . he won reelection . >> steve: this is behind the scenes. >> brian: leverage we can go back to recession. you cannot blame george bush because he is in dallas. here is president obama yesterday and you heard from charles krauthammer. >> familis and small businesses can enjo
romney. he really should be sitting down having lunches with john boehner, friendly lunches. that's what peggy noonan writes because they got to get a deal and they're growing further and further apart. it looks like we're about to sail over the cliff. you know what? rush limbaugh said yesterday that that is exactly what the democrats want to happen. >> welfare state, santa claus is what secures votes for them. the welfare state is what guarantees a permanent underclass, which they need. so we if over the cliff. it's a win. everybody's taxes go up. you need that revenue to pay for your welfare state. in addition, what else happens? you get cuts in the military! you don't think a democrat likes that? if -- believe me democrats can't wait for military cuts, defense cuts. my whole life that's the only thing they want to cut! here it is just waiting for them. it's already done. all we have to do is go over the cliff! >> steve: yep. >> gretchen: there is a lot of relevancy to that because who won the presidential el
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